With the release of a new mini album and about to embark on a nationwide tour, Nathan met Neil Hannon of The Divine Comedy on, of all days, Valentines Day to talk about orchestras, lurve and beards.
The new Divine Comedy album, A Short Album About Love, is, as you might have guessed from the title, about love. Have you always wanted to make a themed album?
Well, Casanova had a pretty definite theme as well, but below the belt, but this ones a bit above the belt. The sort of torso area. The next one will be the head.
The album is also, as the title suggests, a mini-album. A cynic might say that you thought Wait a minute, weve got a few fans at the minute. Lets bring out an album even though we havent got enough songs to fill it.
That is a very cynical viewpoint. For Valentines Day, obviously, for marketing, its great. If people knew the amount of hair pulling out and hard work that went into this album, they would hardly say it was just a quick time-filler. I did want to get another album out as quickly as possible because I like to be prolific. I didnt want it maturing in the mind of the general public that all I was about was shagging. Mr Loverman. I wanted to give the nation the antidote to Casanova before they all went out and shagged themselves senseless.
Thats very magnanimous of him, and if he manages to make a few quid into the bargain, then so be it. Neil does seem pre-occupied with love and sex, and is seen as something as a love god. However, hes also a serious musician. Doesnt he sometimes want to be seen as such, rather than a slimmer, shorter Barry White for the 90s?
I think that people know which is right and which is wrong. Im not a love god, Im a love demi-god. What I do is art, it just happens to be quite popular as well. I think my media image is a caricature, it singles out a particular element of your personality. The music is a caricature of me, and the media image is a caricature of the music. By the time it gets to the people who buy the records, they cannot possibly get a true picture of me, and I wouldnt expect them to. The best way of them knowing anything about me is from the gigs. With or without the orchestra, its the songs that count.
Oh yes. The orchestra. What should people expect from this, in terms of how itll change the Divine Comedy live experience?
Well, youve got more things to look at. It makes me look a lot smaller...
At this point, Neil forgets that hes supposed to be in a love mood, not a sex mood. Indeed, he forgets hes supposed to be talking at all. He stares wistfully at a particularly prominent pair of breasts walking past, and sighs.
Ah, university.
Is this a reminiscence of former campus glories for the softly spoken Irishman, or is he just being a dirty old man, admiring the cleavage of the younger generation? Was Neil ever a student himself?
No. Im sure its great fun, but it would have taken another 3 or 4 years out of my schedule, and its taken a full seven years to get this far. I think to be at this stage if I was 30...youd get tired, and I wanted to get going pretty quickly.
Lets not forget that Neil isnt in one of these bands whos released a couple of singles, been played by Chris Evans and then found themselves snorting coke from a supermodels navel in between Top Of The Pops appearances. Casanova was the bands 3rd album. Whats it like then, having this fame malarkey forced upon you?
Well I was walking around this place, looking round, and not a flicker of attention from anybody. Maybe its just the beard, or maybe its the unwashed, hungover look which makes me blend in with the locals. I dont feel particularly famous, so its very hard to answer that. You want fame because it is a symptom of success. Its like an interesting by-product, neither good nor bad. It just is. Its a good temperature gauge of how well youre doing.
Does the fact that youre almost a one man band place more pressure on you?
This is where people get it wrong. It isnt just me, I lead from the front, you know. Its pyramidal, and all things emanate from the pointy bit at the top, and I am the pointy bit. I couldnt possibly do all of this without the band. The band themselves, the main band of six people, Id like to go up to them and say Did you know I am The Divine Comedy? Theyd punch me.
Though he does have a band behind him, a quick glance at Neils album covers will inform you that its his baby. What, I wonder, made you want to have this baby in the first place? Was it your passion for Stravinsky and Ravel?
It was a very strange sort of journey from watching Top Of The Pops as a kid, to thinking That looks like a laugh to thinking Well, maybe I could actually do it to thinking Ill do it because I cant think of anything else to do thats in the least bit worthwhile. [These days] I dont listen to much music, and the music that I do listen to is very old. There are few contemporary hit makers that are any good. The most interesting bits are obviously the techno bits. Underworld and Orbital and...erm...Bjork, they do marvellous things with it. Of course, an awful lot of it is complete drivel. Im not a big classical buff, theres an awful lot of it that I cant stand. I think it was actually Stravinsky that said that theres only two type of music. Theres good music and theres bad music. There is no genre thats particularly better than any other. Pop is no better and no worse than high classical. Good pop is better than bad classical, and good classical is better than bad pop.
Of course, everyone has to like techno nowadays. Liking Stravinsky, however, is more uncommon, but there are one or two bands around who bear some similarities to The Divine Comedy. Bands like My Life Story and Jack are doing similar things, whilst on late night TVs Adam and Joe Show, Neils record collection was found to have Tindersticks second album on the top of the pile. Is there a new wave of orchestral pop (NWOOP, anyone)?
I get a lot of freebies, you know. The Tindersticks album was a definite freebie, and I never listen to it. I hate it. I hate all that uh-hu-hu [a passable Stuart Staples impression]. He never actually sings a note, and any notes that he does sing are two tones apart. I dont think he has a very large range to say the least. I cant for the life of me understand what its all meant to be about. Its all just atmosphere. Its film music. Its quite good, if you take it as film music.
Realising that Im the interviewer and Neil is the pop star with a soundcheck to get to, I dont waste time telling him why The Divine Comedy are an insignificant pile of shit next to the splendour that is the Tindersticks back catalogue. Instead, I move on and change the subject. How has Valentines Day been for you historically, and how many cards did you get this year?
Ive no idea, theyre probably all in the office. You see, Im on the road. If there are any lying on my doormat at home, I will only get them tomorrow when I go home. Im afraid I dont know. I got one from God, though. I was sitting in the diner earlier and a nice hand, obviously a representative of God, said Heres a Valentines Card. Remember, Jesus loves you. Well, at least somebody does. It wasnt just for me. Not just the famous can be singled out for Gods attention. I think my worst must have been every Valentines day thats ever happened before. Its always been a bit miserable. Its a silly idea, it just makes people get annoyed. And it makes money for people who release records in the same week.
Finally, to the real meat of the interview. Its been sat there for the entire interview, looking uncannily like so many ageing toothbrush bristles attached to Neils face, which he twirls from time to time. Tell me, why did you grow a beard?
It grew itself, really. I stopped shaving, and there it was. It was an inability to forsee how many people would look at me and go Why did you grow a beard. If Id known, back then, just how many people would comment on it, I probably wouldve kept shaving. Itll be whipped off as soon as spring comes along. Its very nice in the winter. It just keeps the face warm.
Neil Hannon were talking to Nathan, in March 1997.